Considering the vastness of the universe; there is almost bound to be intelligence life out there. However, should we actively search for it? What are the pros and cons for finding them? Well, the cons are they may be very hostile to us. another is they could bring diseases that we have no immunity for; similar to what the Europeans brought the American Indians. Of course, they also could give us information and higher technology. So, should we do our best to find them, or wait till we are more advanced; and what other pros and cons do you thing finding them may incur?
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We have been doing so for last 80 years, programs dedicated to the search for extraterrestrial intelligence (SETI) have worked tirelessly searching for cosmic “hellos” in the form of radio signals.
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The following response was enhanced by a chatbot:
The question of whether humans should try to contact aliens is an interesting and complex one, with no definitive answer. Ultimately the decision depends on our values, our understanding of the universe, and our assessment of the risks and rewards.
Pros:
Important Considerations:
Ultimately, the decision of whether or not to contact aliens is one that humanity must make together, through careful consideration, open dialogue, and a commitment to responsible action. As Carl Sagan famously said, "If we wait until we understand everything before we try anything, we will never do anything." But we must also understand the potential risks and ensure that any attempt at contact is done with prudence and deep respect for the unknown.
For what it's worth, I vote for contact.
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@maxx
There's no need to ask the bot. I think the pros outweigh the cons: I vote for contact.
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And I, after looking at the evidence can say
Other solar systems have had many billions of years head start on us. If there were aliens they would be here by now. You want me to believe that aliens are here, but only show themselves to people high on drugs or who own cameras that take blurry pictures. That's a horribly weak argument.
You can't believe in God even with the evidence of a finely tuned universe, but you believe that little green men traveled across the universe just so they could make crop circles in a field owned by a farmer whose missing his front tooth.
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I think the same data you would use to conclude that their are aliens - that there are trillions of stars, and habitable planets, and most are older than our star - I see as the death knell of your argument. If trillions of stars were around many billions of years before our star was, then it would logically follow if life started on other planets, it probably started before life on earth did. And if alien races had billions of years of a head start on us, then it seems logical that they would have arrived by now. The vast number of opportunities for space aliens from the trillions of stars - may be referenced by you in support of your theory, but it is also a devastating blow against it.
You seem to think that intergalactic space travel is too big of a problem to address, even over billions of years of time and technological development. Tell me, have there been any technological advancements in your lifetime? I'm probably not as old as you, but I see advances in technology everyday that weren't even possible just a decade ago. Remember that the first automobile was made in 1886. By 1969 we had landed on the moon. That's a lot of progress in less than a hundred years. Do you really think billions of years of a technological head start would not result in some means of space travel - which we started in less than a hundred years after the first automobile?
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Who are you to say that peace of crap. God or something? You don’t own this site and you don’t own the topics. It’s a public forum and members have a right to comment however they choose not how you choose. Don’t you reckon?
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It would be much more fruitful to invest in 1) colonization of other planets and celestial bodies, and later, other star systems, and 2) synthesis of new life forms here on Earth. Not only do these ventures, unlike the search for aliens, promise extreme payoff in the foreseeable future, but they will also allow us to better understand how life originates and in what conditions it can survive, thrive and evolve - and that will eventually allow us to develop reasonable theories of abiogenesis and astrobiology and then perform a more promising search.
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The thread called "should we search for aliens?" is not about the search? Interesting.
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@MayCaesar
Exactly, it's about shoulds and musts but only shoulds and musts; everything else is off-limits.
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***Also "should" is not asking if there are aliens out there. the title goes with the rest of my post. @MayCaesar***
ARGUMENT TOPIC : Maxx as usual asks 4 times in his heading " should " but that not what he means at all ...it's so Maxx isn't it?
should we search for aliens?
the topic is should we,
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if you guys dont want to debate the topic on the pros and cons of contacting aliens, then go elsewhere. If you want to debate on if there are aliens out there. then create your own post.
Well hopefully you're not the first line of communication with aliens as they would turn back scratching their heads at trying to decipher what you're really trying to say as opposed to what you think you've said.
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I was directly answering your question on whether humanity should actively search for aliens. The probability of existence of aliens was an essential part of my answer, for practicality of searching for something is directly tied to the probability of success of the search.
It seems that any, however well-intentioned, attempt to interact with you results in you being an arse. Any particular reasons for you choosing to act this way?
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If you would read MayCaesar response that is exactly what he did!
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I misunderstood what you were wanting to debate. Let's assume that aliens do exist. Do we announce our existence or go looking for them? I would say, not until we can leave this planet for another one quickly and efficiently. While it would be great to meet another race of beings, the negative impacts currently outweigh the benefits. We have no way of knowing if they are benevolent or malevolent. We currently don't have the ability to travel to another solar system, as the imagined alien race does. Therefore, we can't reciprocate an attack against them, or flee from the planet. We are in a vulnerable position, dependent upon their benevolence. Maybe at a future time, when we have progressed more in our technological advances visiting aliens would be more logical, but I don't think it is now.
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Anytime I mention you I accurately describe you, your lack of self awareness leads you to think I'm insulting you when I'm merely describing you.
No one has a clue what your debate is about but according to you that's everyone's fault but yours ,is the penny dropping yet?
@jack@maxx
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Is the confusion caused by me using word "whether" in place of "if" in this sentence? Is it only allowed to be "if" here?
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Original Excerpt Recap
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Conclusion
- Relevance: The response is highly relevant to the discussion. It provides a thoughtful critique of current extraterrestrial search strategies and suggests alternative paths that could ultimately aid in our understanding of life in the universe.
- Answering the Question: While it doesn't give a direct yes or no to whether we should search for extraterrestrial life, it offers a nuanced view that enriches the debate. It suggests that before actively searching for extraterrestrial intelligence, we might need to broaden our understanding of life itself, which is a valid and relevant point in the context of the discussion.
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That was @MayCaesar argument btw. Not mine. I just got chatGPT to analyze and explain the relevance of what May said which was highly relevant as stated.
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I do not like telling people ugly things to their face, but, frankly, @maxx, you are an awful debater. You just stubbornly refuse to read anything: people will carefully craft their thoughtful responses, and you will just ignore everything, say for the Nth time the exact same thing you said before, and wait for the next opportunity to lash at your opponent.
I am only engaging in these conversations to practice staying cool when talking to difficult people - skill extremely important in many areas of life. The intellectual value of these conversations tends to be 0, because I am essentially talking to an *.mp3 file playing the same song over and over regardless of what I say.
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